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In this episode, Oren Cass is joined by Dr. Matthew Mehan, associate dean of Hillsdale Collegeā€™s Graduate School of Government, to discuss conservatism in our secular age, based on Orenā€™s First Things lecture earlier this year.

The two go long on conservative morality, from the role of religion in conservatism to the wisdom of the Roman philosopher Cicero and the ā€œmost pernicious doctrineā€ of advancing an immoral argument for its political utility. And they unpack how it all intersects with Americaā€™s declining religiosity and modern politics, from economics, to tech, and more.

For more, read inĀ First Things,Ā ā€œConstructing Conservatism.”